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Is anyone here a native or fluent speaker of Upper RP? Not Contemporary or Conservative. BBC from the 1950s or earlier, Eton, Oxford, etc.


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nmesomtoChukwu profile picture nmesomtoChukwuJanuary 2022
  • Dandylover1 profile picture Dandylover1January 2022
    Sadly, I am all too aware of this, which is why my search for assistance continues. I feel confident in most of my pronunciations, but I need help with intonations and such. I hadn’t thought of trying the more modern television shows such as the one you mentioned. Again, I thank you for your excellent advice.
  • Dandylover1 profile picture Dandylover1January 2022
    I thank you again, for your second answer. This is definitely Contemporary RP, as you said, and I’m glad you posted it, as it demonstrates what I wish to avoid. It is different even from Conservative, which doesn’t bother me. There is just something about this modern form that sounds very odd to me, and I can’t exactly place it. Regardless, when watching modern documentaries, I must always remind myself to not imitate what I am hearing. Thank goodness for British Pathe and the old BBC radio shows.
  • Dandylover1 profile picture Dandylover1January 2022
    Thank you.  I am a native English speaker and have loved RP all of my life.  I am always collecting information on it, from sound samples to studies.   There are actually at least three varieties, those being Contemporary, Conservative, and Upper, though scholars sometimes use slightly different names.  What the presenter is calling Posh, is, in fact, Upper Rp, and that is what interests me.  Sadly, I have yet to find anything which truly teaches it, and living speakers are quite rare.  As for so-called Posh, There is U and Non-U, but this refers to word usage of the upper class more than accent itself, and that is also of interest to me.  As for Freddie Mercury, I would classify his accent as Conservative.  The presenter, if anything, speaks Contemporary, though it sounds more Estuary to me.  That said, even among the best RP speakers, including those born in the nineteenth century, differences exist.
Dandylover1 profile picture Dandylover1January 2022

I just located this site.

http://www.batcsglobal.com/accent-reduction-blog/2020/2/24/elocution-lessons-based-on-rp

Here, Upper Rp is referred to as Refined or Heightened.  I would say that they are calling Conservative Rp General, given that they referred to The Queen's '[grandchildren, though I have always thought of their accents as closer to Contemporary.  They also mention Near RP, which is true Contemporary.  This is what I wish to avoid at all costs.

For me, the problem with using certain sites and books is that I am totally blind and my software cannot recognise graphics, including IPA symbols.  I also cannot see how someone's mouth moves in order that I may copy him.  Therefore, all of my lessons, advice, etc. must be based in text and/or audio.